* Only 3? There should be 4 or 5 blood soaked Pinocchios from this lying psychopath. Maybe the botox went to her head, that's the only excuse for Carly being such a mendacious liar
* 3% of the services provided is for abortion, the rest is for preventive care, screenings, and so forth. Defund for an approved, legal procedure just to deny the other 97% of services. Defund for religious and personal views, 97% of services. REALLY!!! Something so personal is a public discussion, REALLY?
* This very rich woman is all about "the unborn" but I've never heard a word about making life better for those kids already here ... the 100,000 of those looking for loving forever homes ..... now that's the real challenge ... one Carly chooses to avoid and ignore.
* The good news is that Mrs. 5% won,t make it to even challenge for the nomination. Let me make a suggestion, listen to the 95% and make like a tree and leave.
* This isn't a 3 Pinocchio statement. Fiorina's made three statements. One is PROVABLY FALSE. The other two show ZERO supporting data, and what data there is points in the other direction to her assertion. She didn't make an opinion statement. She made a FACTUAL statement. Her "facts" have no support whatsoever. That's a Four Pinnocchio statement. I realize that it's hard for WAPO fact checkers to give out so many 4 Pinnocchio awards, and feel it's not balanced. But that's their job - award Liars their just deserts. Since the GOP seems intent on doing nothing but lie through their teeth blatantly this election cycle, they need to be taken to task for it. Get it right - by WAPO's own standards, a 3 Pinnocchio is "mostly false". This wasn't "mostly false". This was "provably false, and completely unsubstantiated", which is a 4.
* How can she possibly get anything done? She is spending every minute searching for that video of Planned Parenthood killing a baby right before her eyes. You know, the one which no one else (save the lying trolls on here) ever saw. But in the spirit of the season, here's a money saving idea for the GOP. Combine Carly's team of baby killing film investigators, with the Donald's team searching for tape of those thousands of Muslims celebrating 9/11 in New Jersey.
Carly Fiorina’s exaggerated claims about Americans’ views on Planned Parenthood and the 20-week abortion ban
By Michelle Ye Hee Lee, December 15, 2015
“The vast majority of Americans agree, what Planned Parenthood is doing is wrong. That’s why the vast majority of Americans are prepared not only to defund Planned Parenthood, but also to stop abortion for any reason at all after five months.”
— Former business executive Carly Fiorina, interview on Fox News Sunday, Nov. 29, 2015
It’s always interesting when a politician links a political stance with a large swath of American voters, evidently without citing any poll. This is a timely topic that Congress has debated for months, and may come up again during the GOP and Democratic debates this week. Our friends at FactCheck.org have written about this, and we wanted to explore it as well using the Post’s polling research and standards. How accurate is Fiorina’s claim?
‘What Planned Parenthood is doing is wrong’
In the context of her answer, Fiorina appeared to refer to the group’s previous practice of taking reimbursement for fetal tissue donations, as revealed through the Center for Medical Progress’s videos. Fiorina said Planned Parenthood’s announcement that it would no longer take compensation for body parts “sounds like an admission” that they were selling body parts for fetal research.
There is only one survey that addresses fetal tissue donations. Fox News in August asked: “Which of the following comes closer to your reaction to the [Planned Parenthood] videos?” Of the respondents, 49 percent said the videos are “disturbing, and the use of fetal tissue from abortions in research should be stopped,” and 43 percent answered that the videos are “disturbing, but if medical research needs this fetal tissue to save lives, it should continue.”
The options may have biased respondents toward more negative answers, because the response options both included the word “disturbing,” implying to respondents that the videos are, in fact, disturbing, said Scott Clement, The Washington Post’s polling manager. More neutral language is preferred in effective polling.
‘Vast majority of Americans are prepared … to defund Planned Parenthood’
We consulted Clement, who tracked down all the national probability sample surveys asking whether Planned Parenthood should be defunded. These polls, which meet The Post’s standards, were conducted after the recent controversy over federal funding began amid the release of the fetal tissue videos.
The polls show a clear majority or plurality of the public supports federal funding for Planned Parenthood:
- In July 2015, a Monmouth University poll found 39 percent supported cutting off funding for Planned Parenthood and 49 percent were opposed. Eleven percent expressed no opinion.
- In August, a Quinnipiac University National Poll and a Fox News poll both found that just over half of those surveyed supported federal funding (51 percent in the Quinnipiac poll; 52 percent in Fox News poll).
- In September, four polls yielded the same responses to Planned Parenthood and federal funding. The majority of respondents in a New York Times-CBS poll (55 percent) and a USA Today-Suffolk University poll (65 percent) supported federal funding for Planned Parenthood. Related, the majority of respondents in a Quinnipiac poll (52 percent) and NBC-Wall Street Journal poll (61 percent) opposed defunding Planned Parenthood.
- A Dec. 7, 2015, USA Today-Suffolk University poll released after Fiorina’s statement found 58 percent of likely voters were against pulling federal funding for Planned Parenthood.
However, this poll does not meet The Post’s methodology standards, as it was conducted as an opt-in Internet panel and was not based on a probability sample of U.S. adults. We’ve repeatedly warned readers about such panels, which have led to cautions by the American Association for Public Opinion Research.
The RMU researcher said the opt-in Internet panel went through a round of random selection by invitation to complete the survey. Still, such a survey presents risk of self-selection bias, since the original pool was an opt-in panel. Only a probability-based sample can claim that based on its design, results can be expected to represent the public at large, Clement said.
Question order also may have played a role in this survey’s results. Immediately before the question on funding, respondents were asked whether they were aware of undercover videos “showing top Planned Parenthood officials describing the harvesting of organs of fetuses and selling them for a profit, even though this is a felony under federal law.” This wording could have reduced respondents’ support for funding, asked in the next question. The researcher said the questions were presented in logical order and the description of the videos is “entirely accurate. This is indeed what the videos show, why they are disturbing to many people, and why defunding Planned Parenthood has entered the national conversation.”
‘Vast majority of Americans are prepared … to stop abortion for any reason at all after five months’
The so-called “20-week abortion ban” is a contentious point over fetal viability in the abortion debate. (Here’s a Fact Checker primer for readers.) The main caveat to note here is that there are two different ways of defining gestational age.
A quick refresher: Legislation introduced in Congress and in several states to ban abortions at 20 weeks use the “post-fertilization” method (from the moment of conception) to count the age of the fetus. This is different from the more common way to date a pregnancy, as used by the medical community at large and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: from the first day of the woman’s last menstrual period (“LMP”).
Fertilization takes about two weeks after the first day of LMP. That means when the bill’s supporters say “20 weeks,” they mean 20 weeks post-fertilization. When the bill’s opponents say “20 weeks,” they mean 20 weeks LMP, or 18 weeks post-fertilization. So when politicians talk about an abortion ban at 20 weeks or five months, they’re not always talking about the same thing, and may not be referring to the same definition as the public understands it.
Clement could not find any question in the Roper Center Public Opinion Archive that asked about an abortion ban “for any reason at all” after five months. In general, questions about the 20-week ban include exceptions for rape or incest. (The bills introduced in Congress have included exceptions for some rape and incest cases, and in cases where the abortion is necessary to save the life of the pregnant woman — though only for physical conditions, not emotional or psychological conditions.)
Americans’ attitudes on abortion are highly circumstantial. Americans generally are opposed to abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy: A 2012 Gallup poll found 61 percent of Americans believe abortion should generally be legal during the first trimester, but the support dropped to 27 percent in the second trimester and 14 percent in the third trimester. (The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists defines second trimester as 14 to nearly 28 weeks LMP.) But this poll doesn’t include an abortion ban after 20 weeks “for any reason.”
A 2014 Quinnipiac poll found Americans support a national ban on abortions after 20 weeks as introduced in Congress in 2013, but that question specified that there would be exceptions for rape and incest reported to authorities.
To make matters more confusing, Americans overwhelmingly support the right for women to get an abortion if her health is in danger, if there is a risk of serious health defect to the child, or if the pregnancy was a result of rape or incest.
Ultimately, it’s unclear exactly how public opinion would stack up for abortions after 20 weeks for rape victims. But Clement said that according to the 2014 General Social Survey, 85 percent of Americans supported legal abortion if a woman’s health is in danger, and 75 percent in the case of rape (73 percent for birth defect). So it’s quite possible that support for such abortions stays above a majority even after 20 weeks, though no survey has asked specifically that.
The Pinocchio Test
Fiorina declares with certainty that the vast majority of Americans agree about three things: what Planned Parenthood is doing (i.e., fetal tissue donations — the practice and/or accepting reimbursement) is wrong, that Planned Parenthood should be defunded, that abortion “for any reason at all after five months” should be stopped. Our review of polls that meet Washington Post standards shows that Fiorina’s claim about the “vast majority” of Americans is a vast exaggeration — and borderline false.
There is no Post-verified polling that gets exactly at her first and third points. The polling that does relate to the videos does not show a clear majority opinion of support or opposition, though slightly more Americans were in opposition. American attitudes over 20-week abortions are circumstantial, and there is no clear majority opinion against abortions “for any reason at all after five months.” And her claim that the “vast majority of Americans” support defunding Planned Parenthood is inaccurate. We suggest Fiorina more closely study the polling results before making such a sweeping claim.