Why do the Republicans (Haley Barber on TV this morning) continue to lie about the debt and President Obama's role?
Barbor stipulated that Obama was "responsible for running the debt up $14 trillion"
Now the truth:
On January 20, 2009 the debt was $10,626,877,048,913.
As of yesterday, the debt was $14,309,159,087,877
That makes net increase in the debt during Obama's Administration -
$3,682,282,048,964
That makes Barbor's lie a 397% exaggeration
Sort of reminiscent of John Kyl's statement about Planned Parenthood, isn't it?
Remember that Obama has no control over the interest on the previous debt, so you can subtract that right off the top of the current debt.
Rule #1 of the Republican Party - it doesn't have to be the truth, you just have to say it enough
Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/04/19/obama-get-serious-about-the-national-debt/#ixzz1K4mJajEI
Wednesday, April 20, 2011
gMarkf also makes a great post
boltcutters
I'm a registered Republican.
Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/04/18/1620529/conservatives-like-sen-kyl-seem.html#disqus_thread#ixzz1K38Y1k00
gMarkf
No you are not. At least you are not if you live in Washington. State law does not allow you to officially register with the state as a member of any party. You can only register to vote, not to register as a republican, or any other party.
Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/04/18/1620529/conservatives-like-sen-kyl-seem.html#disqus_thread#ixzz1K38eFoD2
I'm a registered Republican.
Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/04/18/1620529/conservatives-like-sen-kyl-seem.html#disqus_thread#ixzz1K38Y1k00
gMarkf
No you are not. At least you are not if you live in Washington. State law does not allow you to officially register with the state as a member of any party. You can only register to vote, not to register as a republican, or any other party.
Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/04/18/1620529/conservatives-like-sen-kyl-seem.html#disqus_thread#ixzz1K38eFoD2
great response from Pax
Pax1 4 comments collapsed Collapse Expand
I said "It looks as if you are trying to convince people you are honest by lying about it!"
That is the truth. It does look that way. What is wrong with telling the truth? Or offering an opinion? You want me blocked from this forum because I express an opinion you don't like? Or because I tell the truth and you object to people reading it?
You say something about "demeaning personal attacks"... but I didn't write anything that wasn't true or unsubstantiated. You might have a point if I made something up or lied about something ... like maybe if I claimed to be a "registered Republican" when it isn't true. If you wrote you were the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, would I be making a "demeaning personal attack" if I refuted your claim and demonstrated why it wasn't true? Or if you stated you were my son and I denied it and showed proof to back up my statement? Of course not... and what you are objecting to is the same thing. You made an outrageous claim and I demonstrated why it was untrue. And then you cried about it and suggested I be denied the right to express myself on this forum.
Sounds a lot like you are a fascist -- but you will probably whine and cry if I write that so maybe I'd better not. No, on second thought. I will leave it. It is true.
Fascism: "...having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism,"
Seems to fit, doesn't it?
Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/04/18/1620529/conservatives-like-sen-kyl-seem.html#disqus_thread#ixzz1K37u4cMh
I said "It looks as if you are trying to convince people you are honest by lying about it!"
That is the truth. It does look that way. What is wrong with telling the truth? Or offering an opinion? You want me blocked from this forum because I express an opinion you don't like? Or because I tell the truth and you object to people reading it?
You say something about "demeaning personal attacks"... but I didn't write anything that wasn't true or unsubstantiated. You might have a point if I made something up or lied about something ... like maybe if I claimed to be a "registered Republican" when it isn't true. If you wrote you were the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, would I be making a "demeaning personal attack" if I refuted your claim and demonstrated why it wasn't true? Or if you stated you were my son and I denied it and showed proof to back up my statement? Of course not... and what you are objecting to is the same thing. You made an outrageous claim and I demonstrated why it was untrue. And then you cried about it and suggested I be denied the right to express myself on this forum.
Sounds a lot like you are a fascist -- but you will probably whine and cry if I write that so maybe I'd better not. No, on second thought. I will leave it. It is true.
Fascism: "...having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism,"
Seems to fit, doesn't it?
Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/04/18/1620529/conservatives-like-sen-kyl-seem.html#disqus_thread#ixzz1K37u4cMh
Tuesday, April 19, 2011
It's time for an AWARD
The Award of Horse's Ass of the Day goes to "radec"
A despondent woman tries to commit suicide, thus poisons
an in-utero fetus.
radec wants to punish the woman and
bemoan the life that never was.
How about a heaping helping of horseshit to go with that horse's ass
A case supporting abortion
Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/04/18/1620529/conservatives-like-sen-kyl-seem.html#ixzz1JzcER1PF
Enough mental illness and emotional challenges that she tries to kill herself, but the Reich Wing Fascists want to make sure that they charge her with a crime because she was also sick enough to try to take the child's life. I'm sure they really want to get their hands on the woman in New York who drove into the river. Sorry fascists....she's dead.
Now, as Paul Harvey would say.....the REST of the story:
Shaui’s downward spiral began in late December, when her boyfriend blindsided her. It turned out the man who had fathered her baby and promised to marry her, and with whom she’d recently opened a restaurant, wasn’t going to follow through on any of his promises. He was married to someone else—not divorced, as he’d told Shuai—with two children. And perhaps lacking vision or a spine, he decided he didn’t want to give up his estranged family to start a new one. He left Shuai, sobbing on her knees, alone in a parking lot.
Interesting how Buttbutter left out these details, huh? Oh...and that which they call "infant" was not yet born when the lady attempted the suicide.
When in doubt, make something up.
Sarah gets a "Madison Cheer"
Interestingly, as the photo below shows, the rally was organized by the conservative group Americans for Prosperity, with Palin and other speakers at a podium with a sign proclaiming "I am AFP."
Americans for Prosperity is, of course, a Koch brothers financed group. The Koch name has popped up quite a bit in the Wisconsin protests -- most notably after Walker's 20-minute phone call in late February with blogger Ian Murphy, who was posing as "David Koch". During that call, Walker discussed his ideas for tricking the Democrats into coming back by pretending to negotiate, his ambition to bust the public employee unions.
Monday, April 18, 2011
More Hypocritical Moderation
Yesterday, Yvonne Conway of Olympia had a LTE published in which she advocated violence against our elected officials. Her suggestion: "Those elected officials deserve to be horsewhipped, voted out of office with no pay, pension or health care." (emphasis mine)
I responded with a comment critical of the Olympian's decision to publish a letter that advocated such violence. The result? Yvonne's letter stayed; my comment was deleted.
Later, on a different story, Tammy McGee admonished us by saying,"Please get the comments back on the subject of the article, or I will be forced to close this thread. ~Thank you~" The comments continued to deteriorate, yet nothing was done. Interestingly, Boltcutters then made what just may be the only intelligent comment I've ever heard it utter: "You can't possibly think that there's any rhyme or reason with regard to the moderation of these forums can you???????????????????????"
Go figure.
I responded with a comment critical of the Olympian's decision to publish a letter that advocated such violence. The result? Yvonne's letter stayed; my comment was deleted.
Later, on a different story, Tammy McGee admonished us by saying,"Please get the comments back on the subject of the article, or I will be forced to close this thread. ~Thank you~" The comments continued to deteriorate, yet nothing was done. Interestingly, Boltcutters then made what just may be the only intelligent comment I've ever heard it utter: "You can't possibly think that there's any rhyme or reason with regard to the moderation of these forums can you???????????????????????"
Go figure.
Sunday, April 17, 2011
The Budget deficit as seen by blind politicians
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Cartoon by Daryl Cagle
Undies in a knot????
boltcutters:
Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/04/16/1618334/cut-more-tea-party-activists-say.html#disqus_thread#ixzz1JoDlxzxa
Gee, Sandy, at least they continue to let you try to post. You've had your blog closed for a few years, all the time bullshitting that you encourage open discussion.
Saturday, April 16, 2011
Pageviews continued....
We have already exceeded yesterday's total and the count for a day doesn't stop until 4pm...
Someone is really fixated on ThurstonBlog......or.....
Maybe we need to create an award to present to ourselves.
Someone is really fixated on ThurstonBlog......or.....
Maybe we need to create an award to present to ourselves.
Friday, April 15, 2011
WOW.....what did we do?????
Pageviews have skyrocketed over the past two days.
Did I miss something important?
Did I miss something important?
"Not strictly directed at Obama"??? Yeah, sure!
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Arizona may require U.S. birth proof for candidates
By David Schwartz, Reuters
A bill that makes Arizona the first in the nation to require presidential candidates prove U.S. citizenship has cleared the state Legislature.
The bill, which would put into law what has been a rallying point for those doubting that President Barack Obama was born in the U.S., does allow candidates to file other documents to prove their citizenship.
State House members late Thursday sent to Arizona Governor Jan Brewer the so-called "birther bill," a measure that requires a candidate for the nation's highest office present a "long-form birth certificate" to qualify.
"This bill is about the integrity of our elections and the integrity of people who run, and making sure that they properly qualify," said Rep. Carl Seel, a sponsor of the measure told Republican legislators in caucus Thursday. He said it was not strictly directed at Obama.
[snipped]
Arizona's birther bill has attracted nationwide notice in recent weeks, with critics saying the bill represents another black mark on the desert state's tarnished image.
[snipped]
Arizona Democrats have labeled the bill unconstitutional and predict it will be challenged in court if signed into law by the governor.
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Arizona may require U.S. birth proof for candidates
By David Schwartz, Reuters
A bill that makes Arizona the first in the nation to require presidential candidates prove U.S. citizenship has cleared the state Legislature.
The bill, which would put into law what has been a rallying point for those doubting that President Barack Obama was born in the U.S., does allow candidates to file other documents to prove their citizenship.
State House members late Thursday sent to Arizona Governor Jan Brewer the so-called "birther bill," a measure that requires a candidate for the nation's highest office present a "long-form birth certificate" to qualify.
"This bill is about the integrity of our elections and the integrity of people who run, and making sure that they properly qualify," said Rep. Carl Seel, a sponsor of the measure told Republican legislators in caucus Thursday. He said it was not strictly directed at Obama.
[snipped]
Arizona's birther bill has attracted nationwide notice in recent weeks, with critics saying the bill represents another black mark on the desert state's tarnished image.
[snipped]
Arizona Democrats have labeled the bill unconstitutional and predict it will be challenged in court if signed into law by the governor.
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Sometimes some good moderation
When the folks at the Olympian are on top of it, kudos are in order. This morning Sage 1 commented on the Jeff Kingsbury leaving Capitol Playhouse.
This of course set off our favorite OCD stalker radec, who launched a personal attack on Sage based on a comment from another thread from the previous day, the text of which is to drearily familiar to cite. The She Beast jumped on her sock's bandwagon and within an hour there were close to a dozen off topic back on forth posts between the darling fascists and Uncomfortable Truth . At this point the moderator decided to take down most of the off topic comments. The She Beast threw her usual temper tantrum and stormed off.
boltcutters
Duh..............
Boltcutters: Yea, except no one has a problem with the protesting.
It's when the law gets broken or when it intrudes on the rights of others that civilized people take issue
It's when the law gets broken or when it intrudes on the rights of others that civilized people take issue
Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/04/14/1615847/protests-drive-up-ot-costs.html#storylink=omni_popular#ixzz1JbMOSUUu
You mean like when TEA Baggers close down Town Hall Meetings or phone in harassing messages to the Governor and a Senator?
Damn, they forget so easily.
Thursday, April 14, 2011
Wednesday, April 13, 2011
Guess Who is belching more stupid comments?
Bravo to spinnakr for great rebuttals!
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boltcutters
Most of the time they're forced to pay for research and development etc for all the stuff the government makes them responsible for.
in reply to UncomfortableTruth
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UncomfortableTruth
I was asking about thier profits, not the the cost of thier R&D divison
in reply to boltcutters
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boltcutters
ETC.
in reply to UncomfortableTruth
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spinnakr
What a clever response! We are so lucky to have you around!
in reply to boltcutters
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boltcutters
yea. I really should just let you put words in my mouth and attribute to me things I don't say.
But too bad.
in reply to spinnakr
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spinnakr
Your own words are so awesomely amazing, why would anyone want to change them? I mean, you can't add to perfection, can you?
in reply to boltcutters
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spinnakr
And today you substitute union members for Jews; Muslims for Jews; Mexicans for Jews; gays for Jews ... and you hope all your problems will go away.
in reply to Rock_the_Boat
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boltcutters
Massive fail.
in reply to spinnakr
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spinnakr
Yes, it will.
in reply to boltcutters
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HURPDURP
Payroll tax, Medicare & Social Security, Sales Tax, Property Tax are all paid by those "50%". But..but..but.. Those don't count!
How very patriotic to despise half of your countrymen.
in reply to Rock_the_Boat
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boltcutters
Wow. There's a lot of hate in a person who sees despise where it's not.
Anywho, if everyone was contributing equally to the benefits that they receive we wouldn't be in this mess. So just stop it.
in reply to HURPDURP
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HURPDURP
No, YOU stop it! I'm telling Mom!
in reply to boltcutters
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spinnakr
The President has asked us to "share the burden." To you, apparently, living in poverty is not enough of a burden for our poorest citizens. You want them to "share" more of it so that the wealthy can continue to avoid their share. Nice.
in reply to Rock_the_Boat
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boltcutters
Everyone should contribute equally.
in reply to spinnakr
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UncomfortableTruth
Yup, no violent rhetoric here.
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boltcutters
Well, Lenin was a violent man.
in reply to UncomfortableTruth
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boltcutters
Eliminating "non-profits" would go a looooooong way in providing much needed tax revenue.
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sloboda
The Red Cross is a non-profit. Should they be Taxed???
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boltcutters
Yes.
in reply to sloboda
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HURPDURP
I can't believe you agree with me!
Thousands of so-called "non-profits" own enormous wealth & property tax free and contribute nothing of value to this country. They are controlled mostly by men in dresses or other strange costume, many of whom have been implicated in despicable crimes such as pedophilia and whose followers have committed acts of terrorism such as murdering physicians.
It's about time they pay up!
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troll_whacker
HurpDurp, you are rockin' my world!
in reply to HURPDURP
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boltcutters
Took all your deductions eh.
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troll_whacker
how can corporations get more of an incentive than not paying any taxes?
in reply to sloboda
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boltcutters
What corporations are not paying taxes?
in reply to troll_whacker
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sloboda
Facts are facts. Just because you do not like the results does not mean they are not true. Cutting Marginal and Capital gains taxes always increases revenue.
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spinnakr
Well then, let's cut 'em to zero -- then we'll really be rollin' in the dough!
in reply to sloboda
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boltcutters
No. Just treat all people equally.
in reply to spinnakr
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boltcutters
Yea. And there's even proof of it.
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glenn
How about - shrink the stupid overbloated government and everyone will have money?
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spinnakr
Funny, Glenn, I don't remember you complaining when Dubya accomplished his massive government increases.
in reply to glenn
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boltcutters
Most of the time they're forced to pay for research and development etc for all the stuff the government makes them responsible for.
in reply to UncomfortableTruth
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UncomfortableTruth
I was asking about thier profits, not the the cost of thier R&D divison
in reply to boltcutters
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boltcutters
ETC.
in reply to UncomfortableTruth
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spinnakr
What a clever response! We are so lucky to have you around!
in reply to boltcutters
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boltcutters
yea. I really should just let you put words in my mouth and attribute to me things I don't say.
But too bad.
in reply to spinnakr
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spinnakr
Your own words are so awesomely amazing, why would anyone want to change them? I mean, you can't add to perfection, can you?
in reply to boltcutters
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spinnakr
And today you substitute union members for Jews; Muslims for Jews; Mexicans for Jews; gays for Jews ... and you hope all your problems will go away.
in reply to Rock_the_Boat
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boltcutters
Massive fail.
in reply to spinnakr
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spinnakr
Yes, it will.
in reply to boltcutters
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HURPDURP
Payroll tax, Medicare & Social Security, Sales Tax, Property Tax are all paid by those "50%". But..but..but.. Those don't count!
How very patriotic to despise half of your countrymen.
in reply to Rock_the_Boat
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boltcutters
Wow. There's a lot of hate in a person who sees despise where it's not.
Anywho, if everyone was contributing equally to the benefits that they receive we wouldn't be in this mess. So just stop it.
in reply to HURPDURP
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HURPDURP
No, YOU stop it! I'm telling Mom!
in reply to boltcutters
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spinnakr
The President has asked us to "share the burden." To you, apparently, living in poverty is not enough of a burden for our poorest citizens. You want them to "share" more of it so that the wealthy can continue to avoid their share. Nice.
in reply to Rock_the_Boat
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boltcutters
Everyone should contribute equally.
in reply to spinnakr
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UncomfortableTruth
Yup, no violent rhetoric here.
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boltcutters
Well, Lenin was a violent man.
in reply to UncomfortableTruth
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boltcutters
Eliminating "non-profits" would go a looooooong way in providing much needed tax revenue.
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sloboda
The Red Cross is a non-profit. Should they be Taxed???
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boltcutters
Yes.
in reply to sloboda
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HURPDURP
I can't believe you agree with me!
Thousands of so-called "non-profits" own enormous wealth & property tax free and contribute nothing of value to this country. They are controlled mostly by men in dresses or other strange costume, many of whom have been implicated in despicable crimes such as pedophilia and whose followers have committed acts of terrorism such as murdering physicians.
It's about time they pay up!
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troll_whacker
HurpDurp, you are rockin' my world!
in reply to HURPDURP
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boltcutters
Took all your deductions eh.
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troll_whacker
how can corporations get more of an incentive than not paying any taxes?
in reply to sloboda
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boltcutters
What corporations are not paying taxes?
in reply to troll_whacker
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sloboda
Facts are facts. Just because you do not like the results does not mean they are not true. Cutting Marginal and Capital gains taxes always increases revenue.
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spinnakr
Well then, let's cut 'em to zero -- then we'll really be rollin' in the dough!
in reply to sloboda
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boltcutters
No. Just treat all people equally.
in reply to spinnakr
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boltcutters
Yea. And there's even proof of it.
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glenn
How about - shrink the stupid overbloated government and everyone will have money?
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spinnakr
Funny, Glenn, I don't remember you complaining when Dubya accomplished his massive government increases.
in reply to glenn
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Tuesday, April 12, 2011
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