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Saturday, June 18, 2011

The most bloodthirsty of the Zero's commenters will love this

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Give those convicted a choice: Prison or flogging
PETER MOSKOS
Published: 06/17/1112:05 am

Suggest adding the whipping post to America’s system of criminal justice and most people recoil in horror. But offer a choice between five years in prison or 10 lashes and almost everybody picks the lash. What does that say about prison?

America has a prison problem. Never in the history of the world has a country locked up so many of its people. We have more prisons than China, and it has a billion more people than we do. Forty years ago America had 338,000 people behind bars. Today 2.3 million are incarcerated. We have more prisoners than soldiers. Something has gone terribly wrong.

The problem – mostly due to longer and mandatory sentences combined with an idiotic war on drugs – is so abysmal that the Supreme Court recently ordered 33,000 prisoners in California to be housed elsewhere or be released. If California could simply return to its 1970 level of incarceration, the savings from its $9 billion prison budget would cut the state’s budget deficit in half. But doing so would require the release of 125,000 inmates, and not even the most progressive reformer has a plan to reduce the prison population by 85 percent.

I do: Bring back the lash. Give convicts the choice of flogging in lieu of incarceration.

Ironically, when the penitentiary was invented in post-revolutionary Philadelphia, it was designed to replace the very punishment I propose. Corporal punishment, said one early advocate of prisons, was a relic of “barbarous” British imperialism ill-suited to “a new country, simple manners, and a popular form of government.” State by state, starting with Pennsylvania in 1790 and ending with Delaware in 1972 (20 years after the last flogging), corporal punishment was struck from the criminal code.

The idea was that penitentiaries would heal the criminally ill just as hospitals cured the physically sick. It didn’t work. Yet despite – or perhaps because of – the failures of the first prisons, states authorized more and larger prisons. With flogging banned and crime not cured, there was simply no alternative. We tried rehabilitation and ended up with supermax. We tried to be humane and ended up with more prisoners than Stalin had at the height of the Soviet Gulag. Somewhere in the process, we lost the concept of justice and punishment in a free society.

Today, the prison-industrial complex has become little more than a massive government-run make-work program that profits from human bondage. To oversimplify – just a bit – we pay poor, unemployed rural whites to guard poor, unemployed urban blacks.

Of course some people are simply too dangerous to release – pedophiles, terrorists and the truly psychopathic, for instance. But they’re relatively few in number. And we keep these people behind bars because we’re afraid of them.

As to the other 2 million common criminals, the 2 million more than we had in 1970, we can’t and won’t keep them locked up forever. Ninety-five percent of prisoners are eventually released. The question is not if but when and how.

Incarceration not only fails to deter crime but in many ways can increase it. For crime driven by economic demand, such as drug dealing, arresting one seller creates a job opening for others, who might fight over the vacant position.

Incarceration destroys families and jobs, exactly what people need to have in order to stay away from crime. Incarcerated criminals are more likely to re-offend than similar people given alternative sentences. To break the cycle of crime, people need help. And they would need less help if they were never incarcerated in the first place.

Flogging, as practiced in Singapore or Malaysia, is honest, cheap and, compared to prison, humane. Caning succeeds in part simply because it is not incarceration. Along with saving tens of billions of dollars a year, corporal punishment avoids all the hogwash about prisons somehow being good for the soul.

Some would argue that flogging isn’t harsh enough. While this moves beyond the facile belief that flogging is too cruel to consider, if flogging shouldn’t be offered because it’s too soft – if we need to keep people locked up precisely because overcrowded jails and prisons are so unbelievably horrific – then perhaps we need to question our humanity.

Is there a third way, something better than both flogging and prison? I hope so. But until we figure out what that is and have the political fortitude to adopt it, we should not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Flogging may be distasteful, but surely there’s little harm in offering the choice. If it takes a defense of flogging to make us face the truth about prison and punishment, I say bring on the lash.
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Thursday, June 16, 2011

Are...you......KIDDING...me...????

GunnarWade 4 comments collapsed Collapse Expand
Loved the hecklers cheering in the crowd as he announced his resignation!


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Evening Gunner,
Update:
Not everyone was happy about Weiner's resignation.
There was two very upset "hardcore" Liberals on this forum who made the nastiest personal
attacks against us that I can ever recall.
I couldn't believe my eyes! The ugliest nasty attack finally got flagged and deleted.
We will never be silent and will continue to fight for what we know is right.
I am on a mission as I am sure you and my other fellow conservative friends are as well and our mission is to take America back in 2012!!
I really do believe things are starting to turn around for the better, I just know that all our
hard work will not be in vain.
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Whew and what a day y'all must have had!

You couldn't have said that any better suze and I have your back! I believe you to be a honest and good person.

Keep up the good fight!

Good evening and tomorrow is another day

suzedoosie 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand
Thanks for your support.
Tomorrow is another day and I am certainly not going to lose
any sleep over this latest attack.
I feel better now.
Good evening friend.


Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/16/1688837/ap-source-house-dems-to-meet-about.html#storylink=omni_popular#ixzz1PVu7qNqJ

Oh, GREAT...

Suze is on a MISSION..

(..that and $4.79 still buys you a latte at Starbucks...)


Best of luck to you onyour worthless "mission". Suze....

(..BTW, I can think of a few more useless tasks for you..Gargling peanut butter comes to mind..Perhaps renting a giant constitution clad bus and travelling the Northeast warning the british that "they're gonna take our guns away!")

Maybe there is hope for "hard news" after all?

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Weiner Story Lets New CBS Anchor Carve Path
by Associated Press, Jun 16th, 2011

If CBS anchor Scott Pelley succeeds in creating an evening newscast that’s a clear alternative to his rivals, Rep. Anthony Weiner may someday be seen as the coal mine’s canary.

During Pelley’s first week, the “CBS Evening News” devoted less than a third of the time to the sexting episode that has put the New York Democrat’s political career in jeopardy than either NBC’s “Nightly News” or ABC’s “World News.”

Andrew Tyndall, a consultant whose ADT Research logs the content of news broadcasts each night, noted that Pelley had “kept to the hard news high ground” in choices on the Weiner story. From the on-set recreation of a map that used to hang behind Walter Cronkite to resurrection of theme music that played when Dan Rather was anchor, Pelley’s first broadcasts have sent welcoming messages to old-time news traditionalists.

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Wednesday, June 15, 2011

We should distrust those who never change their minds

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A defense of flip-floppery
By Kathleen Parker, Published: June 10

Here we go all over again. Read my lips and bring ’em on. It’s the economy, stupid. Gotcha!

Which is to say, the stupid season is upon us. Same story, same characters, same plot twists. And yes, the same insanity. Plus ca change and all that.

To the familiar litany of cliches above, one hastens to add, “I was for it before I was against it,” the sine qua non of that quintessential political bugaboo — flip-floppery.

A politician may be able to survive cavorting with prostitutes, sexting with coeds and commingling with interns, but heaven forbid he should change his mind — the transgression that trumps all compassion.

Or thinking.

After all, thinking can lead to that most dangerous territory for a politician — doubt — and, inevitably, the implication that dare not be expressed: “I could be wrong.”

Those most averse to engaging in the sort of thought that could lead to self-doubt are, alas, those who constitute the political party base. These sometimes-wrong-never-in-doubt constituents are relentless in demanding ideological purity from their candidates and routinely banish those who don’t measure up. Thinking men and women need not apply.

These same folks also happen to constitute a minority of Americans, yet they control the debate. The rest of us are left to pick among the ideologically approved scraps.

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In a saner world, we would not distrust those who change their minds but rather those who never do.
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The "pot" speaks again

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WHO has made threats?  I think there is documentation of some you have made!


  • Old_Reliable
    Myself and others who disagree with the terrorist mentality have had death threats.
    Just for disagreeing. We have identified those who have made the threats.

    Glad to hear that Mr. Overman is taking steps to protect himself, and not surrendering to the terrorist mentality of intimidation and threats.

  • Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/15/1687367/many-questions-and-few-answers.html#disqus_thread#ixzz1PPHpCSEt
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    More garbage from glenn

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    glenn
    What a brainwashed slug! You are one of an army of adroids programmed to attack anything that questions or threatens your neat and patented left-wing ideology.
    Try something new - like thinking for yourself - I know it is scarey - but it's quite refreshing.


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    Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/15/1687368/national-news-programs-exploit.html#ixzz1PNuZ2u2t
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    Let's turn this around just for glenn's benefit:

    What a brainwashed toad! glenn, you are one of an army of robots programmed to attack anything that questions or threatens your neat and patented right-wing ideology.
    Try something new - like thinking for yourself - I know it is scary - but it can be quite refreshing.
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    Tuesday, June 14, 2011

    From the Sounded better in its original German department


    Old_Reliable
    I will never again vote for any Democratic candidate. They have shown their true colors and I will have none of it. If I had my way, about 95% would be brought up on charges of treason.
    sage1
    There it is. His politics repeatedly defeated at the polls, Old Reliable turns to a tried and true remedy of Authoritarians everywhere, political trials.

    Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/13/1685034/cantwell-flexes-muscles.html#ixzz1PGRXSEW3

    Monday, June 13, 2011

    Palin as the "voice of god"

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    This e-mail is too long, smarmy, and just plain weird to post it here, but click on the title and check it out for yourself at Vanity Fair.

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    The One Sarah Palin E-mail We Cannot Stop Thinking About


    Excerpted from Sarah Palin's e-mail.
    There was something for everyone in the Sarah Palin e-mail dump that took place over the weekend. Fans would have loved that she arranged to read to local kindergartners when her plane was grounded in upstate Alaska. Foes would have gritted their teeth at the lack of boundary between church and state. There was grist for the frivolous—“I’m going to try and track down the girls tonight (Bristol and I played phone tag all weekend). If you’re back from your trip you should come with us—it’s manicure night”—and for the serious—“I’ve heard that there’s been preliminary work done on the idea of building a road to connect us to our resources in Nome. True? That'd be great if it’s true . What’s the cost? We need to start building infrastructure- esp in areas where the residents truly want the roads. Pls give me a status report on Nome Rd plan. Thanks.” But the one e-mail that we cannot stop considering is the one she wrote to family members shortly before Trig’s birth. It struck us as the Sarah Palin Rorschach test. You might see it as a brave, optimistic way of telling everyone in her family that the new baby will have Down syndrome. Or you might get stuck on the fact that she wrote it in the voice of God. Or you might have a completely different reaction—take a look and tell us what you think.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Sarah Palin
    Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:17:11
    To:gov.sarah@yahoo.com
    Cc:gov.palin@yahoo.com
    Subject: Baby
    To the Sisters, Brother, Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles, Cousins, and Friends of
    Trig Paxson Van Palin (or whatever you end up naming him!)
    [snipped] 

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    Camping's stroke: god's wrath or just plain, old age?

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    Harold Camping Stroke: God's Wrath or Just Plain, Old Age?

    "Harold Camping, who said Judgment Day would begin on May 21, was hospitalized this week after suffering a stroke."

    "Is the Harold Camping stroke a sign of God's wrath, or just a natural phenomenon?"
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    A Drop of Sanity In An Ocean of Lunatics

    rulivingthedream

    It was a beautiful day with lots of great people, music, food and energy!Being gay is not a choice. Being homophobic is.
    http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/13/1685027/pride-in-the-name-of-love.html#ixzz1PAWTbaep

    Sunday, June 12, 2011

    The shoe pinches when it's on the other foot!

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    Ed. note: The printed and distributed version of this full News Tribune on-line article was edited and shortened (additionally snipped here); click on the title to read the entire/full article at the Trib's site.
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    Some gay-rights foes claim they now are bullied
    By David Crary, June 11TH, 2011 09:08 PM (PDT)

    As the gay-rights movement advances, there's increasing evidence of an intriguing role reversal: Today, it's the conservative opponents of that movement who seem eager to depict themselves as victims of intolerance.

    To them, the gay-rights lobby has morphed into a relentless bully - pressuring companies and law firms into policy reversals, making it taboo in some circumstances to express opposition to same-sex marriage.

    "They're advocating for a lot of changes in the name of tolerance," said Jim Campbell, an attorney with the conservative Alliance Defense Fund. "Yet ironically the tolerance is not returned, for people of faith who don't agree with their agenda."

    Many gay activists, recalling their movement's past struggles and mindful of remaining bias, consider such protestations by their foes to be hollow and hypocritical.

    "They lost the argument on gay people and now they are losing the argument on marriage," said lawyer Evan Wolfson, president of the advocacy group Freedom to Marry. "Diversions, scare tactics and this playing the victim are all they have left."


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    "Their beliefs on this issue are very quickly becoming socially disgraceful, much in the way white supremacy is socially disgraceful," wrote Evan Hurst of the advocacy group Truth Wins Out. "They are certainly entitled to cling to backwoods, uneducated, reality-rejecting views ... but their 'religious freedom' doesn't call for the rest of us to somehow pretend their views aren't disgusting and hateful."

    However, some gay-rights supporters see the public opinion shift as reason to be more magnanimous.

    "The turn we now need to execute will be the hardest maneuver the movement has ever had to make, because it will require us to deliberately leave room for homophobia," Jonathan Rauch, a writer and guest scholar at the Brookings Institution, wrote recently in The Advocate, a gay-oriented news magazine.

    "Incidents of rage against 'haters,' verbal abuse of opponents, boycotts of small-business owners, absolutist enforcement of anti-discrimination laws: Those and other 'zero-tolerance' tactics play into the 'homosexual bullies' narrative," Rauch wrote. "The other side, in short, is counting on us to hand them the victimhood weapon. Our task is to deny it to them."


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    "The power to intimidate people, to make them fear they'll be called a bigot or denied opportunities for jobs, only works if people allow themselves to be bullied," George said. "Conservatives who make themselves out to be victims run the risk of playing into the hands of their opponents, suggesting that their opponents' cultural power is so vast that there's no way it can be resisted."

    To professional free-speech advocates - such as Joan Bertin, executive director of the National Coalition Against Censorship - the gay rights vs. free expression cases are fascinating and often difficult.

    "It's very volatile - it requires you to parse the issues very closely," she said. "I'm of the school of thought that you should know your enemy. You need to know what people are thinking."

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    Saturday, June 11, 2011

    Subtlety



    "Vermin" commenting on the Zero

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  • swordfern
    So a member of the capitalist media who takes photos of demonstrators in a way that makes it easier for police to convict demonstrators for breaking the law, and you're still curious why someone would be upset about that?

    Why not just apologize for not understanding that your photos have the potential to seriously hurt people and learn other ways to visually document resistance, like taking photos from above or from behind the action, trying not to focus on specific people who might be willing to break the law and instead capture the mood of the demonstration.

    I mean it sucks that your house got attacked if you didn't actually know that what you were doing put people who protest at risk of jail/prison time, being fired from work and police harassment (to name a few ways photographers put people at risk).

    Think about journalism in other countries, where if you get filmed at a protest the police can come to your house and take you away, while it's not exactly the same here in Olympia, the similarities are there. Activists and anarchists in Olympia (and around the world and throughout history) get profiled and are commonly intimidated by police after marches and events. Type in "Palmer raids" on a search engine.

    Your great picture can put a lot of people in jeopardy, just be conscious of that Tony. Also if a bunch of people want you to leave, then you should probably leave. I don't know why I have to tell you this, but there is a reason why people don't like being filmed doing illegal things.

    Also stop yelling at new fathers who you helped put behind bars with your photos when they are being nothing but civil and nice to you. Just cause your house got attacked doesn't give you free reign to be a testosterone fueled jerk Tony.

  • rosetta_stoned
    I request The Olympian leave Swordfern's comment up for all to see, and nobody report it.

    Let the rest of the community know just what kind of vermin we're dealing with here.


  • Anonymii
    What is really needed on this comment system is the "thumbs down" rating button in addition to "Report abuse"!

    As for "swordfern", anybody want to wager that he/she is one of the "anarchists"?

  • Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/11/1683842/rally-for-olympian-photographer.html#ixzz1P1FNrRiv
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    A change of pace

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    We've been told that Ichiro is a proud man.... as such, surely he can't be happy with his current lack of performance? To our Western minds, it should be logical then that he would be willing to make some changes to benefit the team. I personally don't think that's too much to ask!
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    Give Ichiro a rest on the bench
    BY Jim Moore, June 10, 2011

    Unless I’m missing something, which is usually the case, Ichiro’s 10-year streak of getting 200 hits and averaging over .300 ends this season.

    His recent struggles have reached the point of being absolutely ridiculous. Ichiro has never seen his average drop 51 points in a three-week stretch, but this year he has. How strange is it to see this man hitting .252 in the middle of June?

    Continuing his slide last night, Ichiro went 0-for-4 in a 4-1 loss to the Tigers and is now 1-for-16 on the road trip.

    Whatever his problems are, the guy clearly needs a break. If I’m Mariners manager Eric Wedge, I’m resting my future Hall of Famer tonight. Ichiro has played in every one of the Mariners’ 63 games. He’s been in the lineup twice as the designated hitter, giving him a couple of nights off in right field, but that doesn’t count – he needs a complete one- or two-game benching.

    I don’t care if he’s Ichiro, he’s still 37 years old fercrisesakes. Granted, the way he takes care of himself, Ichiro at 37 is probably like you and me at 27, but he can’t outrun his age forever. [snipped]

    In 2007, I went into the Mariners clubhouse with a plan to write a column about Ichiro the person. [snipped]

    But Ichiro declined to be interviewed. So I asked his teammates for Ichiro anecdotes, and the hell of it is, they didn’t know much about him either. [snipped]

    I think it was Miguel Batista who told me that Ichiro’s Ichiro. Which means he’s unique, or at the very least, different. Maybe so, but it’s time that he’s treated like everyone else. And fortunately the Mariners have a manager in Wedge who will make decisions based on the best interests of the team, even if that means fewer at-bats and chances to reach the Holy Grail of 200 hits.

    Maybe I’m missing something else, but isn’t it logical to conclude that a well-rested Ichiro would probably make for a more productive Ichiro?

    Whether my perception is right or wrong, Ichiro has never struck me as being the biggest team player in the world. [snipped]

    We’ve been led to believe that Ichiro will never be traded because Japanese ownership won’t allow it to happen. But no one from the front office has ever said that publicly. It’s a moot point now – because of the size of his contract and his age, Ichiro can’t be in demand anymore. [snipped]

    A short-term benching is in order, whether it’s one game or two games, I don’t care. And while Ichiro’s in the dugout, I’d suggest that Figgins take his place as the leadoff hitter. I realize that Figgins, hitting .187, has done nothing to justify the top spot in the order, but that’s where he was most effective with the Angels. Maybe – and this is really stretching “maybe” – this would light a fire under Figgy, and he’d suddenly get it going again.

    Then when a rested Ichiro returns, you make him your No. 2 hitter and see what happens with that. You could give your many reasons why that’s an idiotic thought, and I would counter each and every argument by saying…

    At this point, why the hell not?
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    As if we needed more proof ....

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    ... that the Olympian does not do a proper job of policing its comments sections!  It's scary, too, that this A-hole's comments receive "likes".  Also, someone should report his threats!
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    FreedomLover69
    No doubt, our Anointed One, Barack Obama, would likely participate in such a "protest" (along with his cronies Bill Ayres and Jeremiah Wright) had this been thirty years ago or so. It makes me sick to my stomach that that man is president of this Christian nation.
    That being said, if any of these communists, anarchists, socialists, or any other victim of the liberal disorder comes on MY PROPERTY and attempts to do these things, they'll be going home back to their little backyard hideout in a black body bag.
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    FreedomLover69
    Cal is correct.  These are certainly dark times in this country; Sodomites, feminists, atheists, evolutionists, and liberals are allow to spew their filth and garbage that completely contradict the Christian values that this nation was founded upon.  Pray for forgiveness and salvation, and look towards the light that is JESUS CHRIST as we go through these dark times.  May THE LORD rise again soon.
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    Friday, June 10, 2011

    Did anyone else notice?

    There was no comments section for the story on the TESC graduation.

    Did the children get out of hand because over 1,300 people were successful?

    As you can see, I don't follow the Olympian enough to know what's happening.

    Where are the jobs that were promised by GOP?

    SALLY KAUFFMAN; Shelton | • Published June 10, 2011
    I know I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I feel I’m missing something here.
    We’ve been told over and over by the GOP: “Don’t raise taxes on the rich. That’s where the jobs come from.” So, where are the promised jobs? I’m sure all those in the unemployment lines and their families would like to know.  I’d like to know.

    (edit note) A few comments.....

    justathought
    Good question and points Sally!
    And this is what we need to say to those who stand in the way of the economic, social and environmental health of our country: Either join the revolution or get out of the way!

    wildcat67
    Inhale deeply or just a wild thought grasshopper, get a job.  The world don't owe you a living.

    justathought
    inhale deeply or just a wild thought roach, get informed! I owe the country and democracy I love, whatever sacrifices I can make, as a local business owner and tax payer, daughter of a POW and voter!

    Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/10/1682119/where-are-jobs-that-were-promised.html#ixzz1OwY4C0GB

    I'd say that "justathought" contributed a "shut the fuck up" to "wildcat67"

    But did you like the popcorn concession?


    "The Undefeated,” far from shaking up the race, is just a fan film from an outsider hitching a ride on her fame, hoping that attention from political reporters in the early primary states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina will provide a springboard for a national release.

    This would-be “Fairbanks 9/11” certainly blazes with passion — hosannas of awe for Palin, brimstone of scorn for her detractors (especially Matt Damon, standup comics and anonymous commenters who say mean things on blogs).

    But its tone is an excruciating combination of bombast and whining, it’s so outlandishly partisan that it makes Richard Nixon look like Abraham Lincoln and its febrile rush of images — not excluding earthquakes, car wrecks, volcanic eruption and attacking Rottweilers — reminded me of the brainwash movie Alex is forced to sit through in “A Clockwork Orange.” Except no one came along to refresh my pupils with eyedrops.

    I’d sooner have watched a Michael Moore movie.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56269.html#ixzz1OvDvBHbz

    This is Politico's quote of a review from the NY Post, strangely enough owned by Rupert Murdock, owner of FOX and Sarah Palin's employer/champion.

    Rangel on Weiner and vice-versa

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    Rangel: Weiner can still be effective

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    U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel said Friday that he believes Weiner can still be an effective lawmaker, "if the press gets off his back."

    He suggested that other members of Congress had done worse things than Weiner, who admitted this week to sending racy messages and explicit photographs of himself to women he didn't know.

    "I don't know what he did, who he offended. I know one thing: He wasn't going with prostitutes. He wasn't going out with little boys. He wasn't going into the men's room with broad stances," said Rangel.

    [snipped]

    "Certainly I know immoral sex when I hear it from other members, and no one has screamed for their resignation, so I don't know why they're selecting Anthony. That is a surprise," Rangel said.

    He acknowledged, though, that Weiner is likely to face continued difficulties if reporters keep asking Democrats questions about his conduct.

    [snipped]
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    Weiner voted against censuring Rangel

    When Rep. Anthony Weiner's (D-N.Y.) colleague, Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), faced ethics charges in the House in 2010, Weiner voted against censure. Now Weiner will face ethics charges of his own.

    [snipped]

    In Late 2010 the House voted 333-79 to censure Rangel. But Rangel's New York colleagues voted against the measure, with 16 nays and 13 ayes. Weiner was one of the nays. House Republicans voted, predictably, to censure Rangel, with only two of the 165 members voting against it.
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    Wednesday, June 8, 2011

    ahem................I mean.....uh...well...I...uh...well......

    KARDNOS says:
    "You know what's funny is that there is a website out of Olympia that has a roll up of a woman showing her buttocks to anyone that happens on that site and moves their mouse in the wrong place.
    Now is that any different than Weiner's behavior? Showing your buttocks to EVERYONE that visits your website? Would that not be perverted and predatory? What about children that would happen on that site?
    "SadujTogracse says:
    June 8, 2011 at 9:35 pm
    First of all my buttocks is not anywhere on the internet, I'm not who you think I am so you're wrong yet again."
    Thou dost protest too much. I don't see one word where I said "sadujtogracse's buttocks".....
    The "your" in my statement was the rhetorical "your"
    Who do I think you are?

    SadujTogracse says:
    Yeah because a picture that's no worse than a woman in a bikini bottom is the same as sending "johnson" pictures to vaious people who didn't ask for them. Welcome to Kardnos' twisted world.

    KARDNOS says:
    Pictures of a bare buttocks is OK, then.....to spread around the internet.
    I have an idea. Try posting that image on Disqus in a McClatchy newspaper and see how long it stays up.
    Welcome to Saduj's hypocritical world......but the picture isn't you...right?
    This is really getting funny......Oh...I know where this dialog belongs.....LMAO

    Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/06/08/minor-scandal-vs-true-crime/#ixzz1OkfIJhBM

    For all to read, laugh and enjoy!