"Editorial cartoons are the best measure of the freedom of a nation"

Apple: You Can Ridicule Obama, but Don’t Bash Tiger Woods, By Daryl Cagle

Should newspaper editorial cartoonists be banned from drawing cartoons about some selected, famous people? Many believe we should not be allowed to draw the Prophet Muhammad – but how about banning us from drawing Tiger Woods? If Apple has its way, iPhone users won’t see cartoonists commenting about Tiger, and other topics that might ridicule selected public figures.

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Newspaper editorial cartoons have an important history in American journalism. Political cartoons are taught as required curriculum in high schools – still, some people, like the editors at Apple, seem to see editorial cartoons as different than other forms of journalism - as a part of the newspaper that is somehow more offensive than words.

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Cartoonists love to chase the top news stories; [snip]. It is the nature of a free and open debate that defines a democratic society.

Editorial cartoons are the best measure of the freedom of a nation.

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As newspaper audiences decline, more readers have moved to the Web and now to mobile devices for news and opinion. The iPhone dominates the audience that consumes news on their phones, and the new iPad is designed to grab even more print readers, perhaps replacing print. Editorial cartoonists, who are moving from print and the web to mobile devices, are finding that Apple’s views of their profession can have a profound impact on what their future audience will be.

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It is chilling to see Apple pick and choose which topics can be discussed in the mediums they control. By positioning itself to control the new methods of delivery for news and opinion, Apple assumes a special responsibility to allow for a full and free debate on all topics and personalities in the news.

I don’t want Apple deciding which public figures I may ridicule.

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One of the comments on the above column:

Comment from Nolan

Time April 24, 2010 at 4:14 pm

As a developer of games, apps, and enterprise software, my opinion on Apple’s recent fascist-style moderation is that we as content distributors need to send a strong message to the company. I and many of my peers have decided to forgo any development on any “iDevice”, and focus our efforts on more open platforms such as Android.

The notion that the consumer is the only voice in this debate is convoluted to the point of mass delusion. Yes, the consumer wants the pretty, simple hardware and software… but what Apple isn’t considering, is that they more often than not also want the freedom to choose whatever content they desire.

I guess my point with this comment is that Apple is NOT the only boat in the ocean, especially now that other platforms are meeting or exceeding the level of sophistication in mobile devices… whether Steve-O likes it or not.

Keep the funny’s comin’

What you didn't see in Downtown Olympia

Yesterday in Downtown Olympia it was fun, fantasy and imagination - not the above.

200?????? at Gun Rights Rally

http://www.theolympian.com/2010/04/24/1217881/second-amendment-gun-rights-rally.html


You can check the picture for yourself. If there are two hundred attendees, I'm a cast of 1000s by myself.

LTE Thread closed at 10:20 AM!

I think this is a record.

Unfortunate, though as Mr. Mustard and I were having a great discussion about domestic manufacturing versus import - in particular to the auto industry.

The usual cast of characters started their attacks on me - Cheeseburger, glenn, Wyo, etc.

The Moderator dumped one of Cheesey's attacks then "boom, boom, boom" out went the comments.

Here was my last comment to Mustard:
"Comment on: Letters to the Editor for April 25 at 4/25/2010 10:07 AM PDT on The Olympian

ooops....something is missing....Mustard, I'm going to assume to had to take care of other things, so I'm gonna do same. Maybe we can pick this up later. Great discussion!"


EDITORS Note: As can be expected Cheeseburger goes over to another thread and starts up - Comment on: Let's hope McKenna succeeds in records case at 4/25/2010 11:08 AM PDT on The Olympian
Larry's day is now shot to hell! After bullying several posters on the LTE thread, it has now been shut down!


Maybe this is a sign of better things to come. I know this much, I'm not taking anyone's shit.

Blagojevich Wants To Subpoena Obama

CHICAGO (AP) ― Ousted Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich has asked a federal judge subpoena the president to testify at his corruption trial.In a motion filed Thursday with U.S. District Judge James Zagel, Blagojevich attorney Sam Adam says President Barack Obama has direct knowledge of allegations made in the indictment.It would be extremely unusual for a sitting president to testify at a corruption trial.A spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office, Randall Samborn, had no comment on the 11-page motion. The filing contained several sections blacked out, apparently because they refer to material that the court has placed under seal.Blagojevich has pleaded not guilty to charges that accuse him of scheming to sell or trade the Senate seat left vacant by Obama's election as president.

http://cbs2chicago.com/wireapnewsil/Blagojevich.continues.offensive.2.1647175.html

I thought he came across as a rather amicable guy on Celebrity Apprentice and The Howard Stern Show. I don't know if he is guilty of the charges against him or not but he is certainly guilty of having a huge set of cojones. Perhaps a set that's just large enough to try and sell Obama's seat. Either way he has a seriously respectable helmet hairdo circa 1975 that if properly gelled I am convinced could deflect low caliber handgun rounds.

Why do I think this isn't a Progressive protestor?

" glenn" of the "Goodbye Cruel Olympian" fame, claims someone is running around with a picture of Bush and a bullet hole in his forehead. I couldn't find that, but I did find a Conservative blog that uses this picture to state its case on Bush threats.

I see a slight problem.....

Anyone wanna guess?

Laugh of the Day

Palin, when recently speaking in Eugene, exhorted other Republicans to participate in local races to "take the country back". This, of course, is why she walked away from a state office.

It reminds me of Rosie Perez' character - Gloria Clement - from the movie "White Men Can't Jump":

"Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic mechanism, from which one extracts what one needs."

The difference

Recently, The Cheezy One has been touting this avatar for the Olympian Forums, I've selected the above picture of our former president.

The difference?

Mine is a real picture of Reagan and Cheesey's is a photoshopped something or other. If this were real, Palin would have put the bunny ears on herself.

Sarah Palin visits liberal Oregon stronghold

George, one of the commenters on the article about Palin in Eugene, posted a really good one!

You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.
You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.
You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.
You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.
You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.
You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.
You didn't get mad when you saw the Abu Grahib photos.
You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.
You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.
You didn't get mad when we let a major US city drown.
You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.
You finally got mad when.. when... wait for it... when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all ok with you but helping other Americans... well **** that. That about right?

This is what irresponsible journalism looks like

I guess 2:00am is unthinkable for a judgmental bastard with an authoritarian fetish.

westoly wrote on 04/22/2010 07:07:40 AM:

Gee 2am! Tweakers hours, he probly[sic] needed his next fix. Any meth maggot anywhere doing anything is a threat. There really is no good reason to have tweakers or any drug users in the community.

olyguy1833 wrote on 04/22/2010 07:33:29 AM:

Maybe if people start defending thier[sic] property, these dirt bags will think twice before victimizing innocent homeowners. Lets have a little empathy towards the victims for a change & not the poor criminals.

On yesterday's thread Berryhill, the brother of the gunshot victim wrote his brother was drunk and accidentally stumbled onto the gunman's property. From the account the man shot the the victim as the victim tried to leave. That's not self-defense, that's attempted murder folks.

For the record:

Berryhill wrote on 04/21/2010 02:34:23 PM:

There was no breaking of windows. The homeowner heard something and called police but it wasn't the breaking of windows. The victim did not try to get into his house, he was actually trying to leave his yard. If the homeowner had already called the police and there was no immediate threat, why pull out the gun. The victim was not armed, he did not try to get into the home, he did not threaten the homeowner. He was in the wrong place and when he tried to get out of the guys yard, he got shot. Fine, write him a ticket for trespassing but does he deserve to be shot.

The whacks in the Olympian cesspool have created events and pulled condemnation out of their sick, twisted psyches to turn a victim into a perp. That is not journalism. That is slander and the Olympian interactive crew who resolutely refuse to take responsibility for their product are aiding and abetting slander.

For public knowledge and discussion.

Larry's comment - The following is correspondence between Long Lui and myself concerning a comment on a thread in ThurstonBlog. I'm going to encourage the commenter to clarify his/her own comment, as I do not wish to inflame this issue any more than it already is.


From: Liu, Long
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:30 AM
To: Larry Hill
Cc: McGee, Tammy; Wakefield, Jerry

Subject: Death threat against The Olympian employee Tammy McGee on your blog

Larry, We have discovered a “Death Threat” to our employee Tammy McGee on your blog by the user name “Anon the Great” yesterday morning (4/20). You mentioned in the past that every comment was screened before it appeared on your blog. This is a very serious issue. I have attached a screen capture for your review. We urgently request that you delete this comment immediately and take appropriate action. Thanks for your understanding and corporation.

Long Liu Assistant Managing Editor/Interactive


My response to Liu -

In the spirit of good community, I will delete said comment and advise the author. I think we need to clarify some issues.

I do not monitor every post that goes into my blog. It is a member’s blog and all members have access to comment. One other blogger and I have administrative access to moderate all comments.

Now, unless Olympian employees have time to moderate my blog, as opposed to their own comments section, I’m going to suggest that this was sent to you by another reader. Frankly, if someone has a problem with my blog, they should contact me and not The Olympian. None the less, I’m going to alter the comment.

I have to say that anyone labeling this as a death threat is pushing hyperbolic garbage, as I do believe the spirit of the post was meant in humor – somewhat novelistic in nature, as opposed to a true death threat. I’m going to publish this email on the blog, and allow the blogger to speak for himself/herself as to the context of their statement, as opposed to the typical misrepresentation from the Right Wing Sound Machine readers of The Olympian.

I have witnessed, of late, veiled threats of violence made against Evergreen students by the crowd that thinks that one student doing wrong makes the entire college wrong. I would only hope that The Olympian can react as quickly to such threats as they did voicing their concerns over this comment.

I’ll close this email by quoting to you, what was sent to me by Tammy, when I was questioning some of the content directed at me by your readers:


And I’m quite sure by now, most people know that just because something is posted to a comment thread/ or anywhere on the Internet, for that matter, doesn’t necessarily make it the truth.

Tammy McGee
The Olympian Newspaper
tmcgee@theolympian.com

Today's LTE Hate Speech

Menzie wrote on 04/21/2010 07:26:12 AM:

Isn't this the same Oly chick that bragged AFTER she was arrested how she had already gotten away with this before ?? She needs a kick to her "nether region" to equal out the score. We don't want her kind having babies anyway. She's part of the reason why our society is collapsing before our eyes as did Rome so many years ago.

engel loses!

Hmmmm, seems that d'engel-berries offended some people! This message has disappeared:

ENGEL wrote on 04/20/2010 09:09:36 PM:

President Obama is not a practicing Christian and the racist hate fulled "church" he attended was no different than a hate filled racist mosque.

Serves her right..... chortle!

Dingel got - as she would say "PUNKED"

ENGEL wrote on 04/20/2010 03:54:45 PM: People of the US who live in states that border Canada have no clue what a problem illegal immigration is to our southern friends.There's no comparison.Recommend (2) Report abuse Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2010/04/20/1211951/letters-to-the-editor-for-april.html#ixzz0lh4cRUBk

OLYGuacaMOLY wrote on 04/20/2010 06:06:29 PM:
Doesn't Minnesota border Canada?

Austin, Minnesota with 22,000 residents is like any other middle-class, blue-collar town in America. Soccer moms cheer from the sidelines, bake sales abound, folks play bingo on Wednesday nights, paperboys throw papers, cheerleaders practice after school and dads take their kids to the old fishing hole. It's also home to Hormel Foods and Quality Pork Products where generations of citizens worked at and supported the meat processing plants. They earned living wages with health benefits and made Hormel one of the most trusted names in America.

But ten years ago, something happened in Austin. The meat packing plants began transporting illegal aliens from Texas to work in the plants around Austin. Why? To increase profits. At first, it didn't mean much because the illegal aliens worked at odd jobs. They didn't complain because they feared being deported. Their numbers were so small that the regular workers didn't take notice.

That changed as the years passed. As ten illegals turned into 100 and then into 1000, and now over 3,000, Austin, Minnesota suffers accelerating problems.

As usual, Dingel got caught with her entire leg in her mouth.

Whose toes are getting stepped on?

For two consecutive days, I've pointed out that "Captain Howdy" is the name of the satanic character in The Exorcist. In both cases, my comment has been deleted.

Now mind you, we have all sorts of namecalling that goes on and "Captain Howdy", in verbage gave me the finger (maybe it was too subtle for an editor to pick up on), but for some reason we are not able to note that a commenter has voluntarily chosen to be identified with Satan.

Of late, I'm noting that "ssuron" has to be intoxicated while commenting. It's not just the poor grammar, spelling and typos, but the behavior is a drunk if I've ever seen one - and I've seen 1,000s

So the new TOS of The Olympian is to avoid the truth and allow drunken rages.

Curiouser and curiouser......

What the ........"

dalecon wrote on 04/19/2010 07:06:13 AM:
Bush left us with a $10.6 trillion debt? If that was so it was caused by the Democrats that were elected two years beforehe left office."The 9-11-01 attack by Islamic militants was sad". Sad, you should be outraged as I was.November 2008 was a sad time, when we elected the first socialist, who was a muslim black president born in a foreign country. http://www.visiontoamerica.org/story/kenyan-official-obama-born-here.htmlMarch 21, 2010 was sad, when Congress approved a health care plan that will bankrupt our nation.Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2010/04/19/1210738/letters-to-the-editor-for-april.html?pageNum=7&&&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container#ixzz0lZMB7UtI


LarryakaLarry wrote on 04/19/2010 07:18:23 AM:
muslim black?
sounds like a fashion description.


LarryakaLarry wrote on 04/19/2010 07:15:41 AM:
dalecon, tighten the tin foil hat.


My two posts were deleted. I guess pointing out that dalecon is a looneytune is a no-no.

I note that glenn's "libidiots" is posted again today.

It all depends on who is offended and not the offense.

Stolen from Larry

Now I suppose JoeBannedMember will be quoting this forevermore.... Oh, well, we will of course just remember who the thief is.

IndependentVoter wrote on 04/17/2010 06:36:35 AM:

"Stupid is as stupid does"

Forrest Gump

Posted at: http://www.theolympian.com/2010/04/17/1209131/free-parking-spots-being-erased.html?commentSort=TimeStampAscending&pageNum=1#ixzz0lPFmNCmO

engel = FAIL

ZINGER!

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Anonymous98501 wrote on 04/17/2010 04:13:22 PM:

ENGEL wrote on 04/17/2010 04:06:33 PM: I'll pass on your blogging tips.

So, who have you decided to pass the tips on to?

engel = FAIL

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Elderly?!

DJW wrote on 04/17/2010 11:38:15 AM:
Steve Belosi, attacked an elderly woman at the rally until she started to cry.LarryakaLarry,I guess it depends on your definition of 'attack'. According to this alleged first-person http://bobmccarty.com/2010/04/17/missouri-tea-party-provocateur-spills-beans/ interview, Belosi claims to have yelled at a 59yro woman and could have made fun of her. Now, I know internet bloggers/journalists/citizen media like to use inflammatory terms to make a point. When you say 'attack' I wonder how many people think of a physical confrontation resulting in bodily injury. Verbal 'attacks' in some situations (unfortunately) are protected as 'free speech'. In any event, Belosi verbally attacked someone (allegedly) and may have acted like a complete idiot. For whatever reason he chose to yell at someone. I have no idea why some people choose to 1) YELL at people they disagree with 2) why 'journalists' love to use inflammatory statements to garner attention.

Had been hearing references to this "attack on an elderly woman" incident, but until DJW injected his usual voice of reason based on facts, I had no idea the "elderly woman" in question was a 59 yr. old. who can't even retire or collect SS for another 5 or 6 six years. What kind of young punk thinks 59 is elderly?? Not merely inflammatory journalism, it's an outstanding example of hyperbole and demagoguery.

Maybe, just maybe I'm hypersensitive because I've spent the better part of a year being 59, but not even the teenagers I work would call me "elderly". And don't think that's just because they're being nice, because 16 yr. olds are very good at keeping other people humble :).

Here's your chance

LarryakaLarry wrote on 04/17/2010 07:58:38 AM:
" Docent wrote on 04/17/2010 07:17:47 AM: informed, native, It is your, homeboy, who keeps us at war. Let's hear you chastise OBAMA. YOU WILL NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE HYPOCRITES!"

Speaking of hypocrites, didn't someone give us a "goodbye cruel Olympian" less than a week ago? Yep.....April 11th was the date.Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2010/04/17/1209190/letters-to-the-editor-for-april.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=19878#Comments_Container#ixzz0lN1tQwEd

Guess what year and which Administration

Hillary Clinton: I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic, and we should stand up and say, “WE ARE AMERICANS AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO DEBATE AND DISAGREE WITH ANY ADMINISTRATION!”

If you guessed 2003 and the Bush Administration you won a free trip to the blog that will not be mentioned on Thurstonblog and you can see how, once more, she who will not be mentioned has taken someone out of context.

Stuck in the Spin Cycle

Notice the term for the spinners: "Advo-casters".

Stuck in the Spin Cycle, by Peter Funt.

Rhetorical spinning used to be good sport.

[snip]

Nowadays, though, we’re stuck in a constant spin cycle ...

[snip]

The Internet, cable-TV, talk radio, all provide forums for differing voices to publish and be heard. In theory, this broadened exposure to wide ranging perspectives makes us better informed and more receptive to opposing points of view. Yet, just the opposite is happening. In many respects, what’s referred to as the digital information explosion has proved to be a time bomb.

[snip]

During the hostile health care debate, if you watched Fox News Channel and MSNBC side by side, you’d have thought they were covering entirely different stories.

[snip]

It’s even worse on radio. Advo-casters, some of whom host both radio and TV shows, tend to spin more recklessly when it’s audio only. Radio rants are frequently more outrageous and blatantly biased, yet, despite vast audiences, go largely unheard by those with opposing views.

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When you freeze the frames on our media and our politics, it’s difficult to tell which is currently exerting the greatest spin on the other. Media have become more fractionalized and focused on singular points of view. Politicians and their supporters have grown intolerant and less inclined to compromise. Conventional media whose goals, at least in theory, are to provide generally spin-free perspectives, are suffering. The evening newscasts on ABC, CBS and NBC; the entire CNN cable network; magazines such as Time and Newsweek, and most general-interest newspapers, are losing out to competitors who specialize in spin. Today, the hottest blogs, radio shows, and cable-TV channels are those for which fact is merely a starting point.

[snip]

Bill Clinton warns about angry political rhetoric

Clinton draws parallels between 'upheaval' of 1995, today (CNN)

Former President Clinton said he sees parallels in the mood of the country now and on April 19, 1995, when the bombing of a federal building in Oklahoma City killed 168 people while he was in the White House.

"There's the same kind of economic and social upheaval now," he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer in an interview to air Friday on "The Situation Room."

"Then, you had the rise of extremist voices on talk radio. Here, you have a billion Internet sites," Clinton said.

And although the hard-core, anti-government radicals are still a minority, "they can communicate with each other much faster and much better than they did before. ...

[snip]

In an interview with the New York Times on Friday, Clinton warned of the affect that angry political rhetoric might have on antigovernment radicals like Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh; he pointed to Rep. Michele Bachmann calling the Obama administration and the Democratic Congress "the gangster government" at a tax day Tea Party rally on Thursday.

"They are not gangsters," Clinton told the newspaper. "They were elected. They are not doing anything they were not elected to do."

Clinton said that demonizing the government with incendiary language can have effects beyond just rallying a crowd.

"There can be real consequences when what you say animates people who do things you would never do," Clinton told the newspaper, pointing out that McVeigh and his conspirators "were profoundly alienated, disconnected people who bought into this militant antigovernment line." ...

[snip]

Recalling ’95 Bombing, Clinton Sees Parallels (NYTimes)

[snip]

The former president said the potential for stirring a violent response might be even greater now with the reach of the Internet and other common ways of communication that did not exist on April 19, 1995, when the building was struck.

“Because of the Internet, there is this vast echo chamber and our advocacy reaches into corners that never would have been possible before,” said Mr. Clinton, who said political messages are now able to reach those who are both “serious and seriously disturbed.”

[snip]

Mr. Clinton pointed to remarks like those made Thursday by Representative Michele Bachmann, the Minnesota Republican, who when speaking at a Tea Party rally in Washington characterized the Obama administration and Democratic Congress as “the gangster government.”

“They are not gangsters,” Mr. Clinton said. “They were elected. They are not doing anything they were not elected to do.”

The pitched attacks by some Republicans and conservatives during the health care fight have drawn criticism as incendiary as have the use of terms and imagery like the placing of target cross hairs over the districts of vulnerable Democrats who backed health care.

[snip]

In response to the criticism, several conservative leaders say reports of threats, intimidation and violence are being overblown or were not true and were instead part of an effort to vilify and silence critics of the Democratic Congress and Obama administration.

In her remarks Thursday, Ms. Bachmann made light of the suggestion that antigovernment activists were angry.

[snip]

Mr. Clinton said his intent was not to stifle debate or muzzle critics of the government but to encourage them to consider what repercussions could follow. He acknowledged that drawing the line between acceptable discourse and that which goes too far is difficult but that lawmakers and other officials should try.

“Have at it,” he said. “You can attack the politics. Criticize their policies. Don’t demonize them, and don’t say things that will encourage violent opposition.”

[snip]

cheeseburger's real interest?

In the article about the Vader councilman charged with meth possession, cheesey posted this comment:

cheeseburger wrote on 04/15/2010 09:39:50 PM:

Say.....what ever happened to Vader boy?

Of all the things that could have been said about the article or about Vader, she comes up with a question about a perversion reported quite some time ago..... sheesh!

Move on.....

I wonder if she also gets free Sharpies to make "hand notes"???

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/04/14/sarah-palins-luxe-speaking-contract-spurs-investigation-in-cali/

If anybody thinks Palin's out there for anything but to make a buck, Boy, Have I got a bridge to sell you....

Did Tennyson know many of the Olympian's commenters?

A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies.

-- Alfred Lord Tennyson

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alfredlord118209.html

Where is the Cheese when we need it?

Army doctor Lt. Col. Terry Lakin believes Obama does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president and commander-in-chief because Lakin believes the president was not born in the United States. A video with statements from Lakin on the subject was released by the right-wing American Patriot Foundation.

Lakin refused to report to Fort Campbell, Ky., for deployment to Afghanistan, but instead went to the Pentagon. There on Monday he was confronted by his brigade commander, Col. Gordon Roberts, and informed he could face court martial, and his Pentagon building pass and government laptop computer were seized.


We need Super Patriot to step up and call this guy a few names

A Little Cheese for Cheese

Love and Kisses, Uncle Ronnie

Whine, moan, etc.

Poor cheeseburger...

cheeseburger wrote on 04/12/2010 11:23:20 AM:

I only lash back when people continue to dish it out!

You PAX, began this morning by calling me names!(Cheezbooger) I am sick and tired of the bullies who belittle and terrorize others on this blog each day so therefore you leave me no other choice than to call you all out! I can be civil and respectful to others as long as the same is returned.

Oh, my, NO CHOICE!!!! I guess her space has been invaded, and she's being forced to "call you all out".... isn't that just awful? The invaders should be so ashamed of their actions!

cedar wrote on 04/12/2010 11:38:48 AM: ... Now, Cheesy, isn't "terrorize" a bit strong? I would agree that the right-wing militia who target police are terrorists, and Tim McVeigh was a terrorist, and the Fox News-watching guy who threatened Nancy Pelosi was a terrorist: but a few words on a forum for time wasters like you and I, not so much.

cheeseburger wrote on 04/12/2010 11:46:16 AM: ... cedar, when it comes to certain posters here, terrorize is not a strong enough word used to describe.

Ooooh, "terrorize is not a strong enough word"! I have a question for cheese-- if she stopped reading the comments, could she still be "terrorized"?

PAX wrote on 04/12/2010 11:48:01 AM: Cheezbooger - WHAAA!!!!!! CRY !!!!!!!!!. I tease you about your "name" (like twisting pseudonyms on the forum is rare!) and you cry about that because I prove you wrong (again!) and you can't rationally argue the point or defend your (false) claims.

And you call people "bullies" whenever they prove you wrong! Why not discuss the points, try to prove your claims and act like an adult? No, it's easier for you to whine, complain, cry and call people BULLIES, isn't it?

PAX is right-- who terrorizes who? Who is name-calling?

cheeseburger wrote on 04/12/2010 11:49:13 AM:

Now I am off to the dentist which will be more enjoyable than spending the day in here getting beat up!

Gee, somebody's beating her up? Again, if she didn't read the comments, could she be beaten up? It's such a shame that she has absolutely no control over her own life....

Ah, life in the Olympian's comments sections-- it's so hazardous for people like cheesy and glenn with such delicate sensibilities! bwahahahahahaha!

Latest from Tina Fey

Video at:

http://goldderby.latimes.com/awards_goldderby/2010/04/tina-fey-saturday-night-live-sarah-palin-385916274-tv-news-story.html

Tina Fey on 'Saturday Night Live': Give her another Emmy!

April 11, 2010 | 12:51 pm

When Tina Fey won an Emmy last year for channeling Sarah Palin on "Saturday Night Live," it was a happy ending for the comedienne who was almost cheated out of a shot at that gold. Bizarrely, the TV academy eliminated the category for guest performers on variety shows. That's the race Tina Feynormally would've competed in -- separately from her nominations in the comedy-series races for "30 Rock."

But the Emmys decided to let some "Saturday Night Live" performers compete for best guest performance in a comedy series. She did and she won, beating two stars nominated for starring in "30 Rock" -- Jennifer Aniston and Elaine Stritch.

Last night, Fey appeared again on "Saturday Night Live" and gave another Emmy-worthy performance. Below, her shtick on "Weekend Update." She reports, "All is not good in Ladyland. I am talking, of course, about the Oscar curse. The theory is that when a woman wins an Oscar her husband will cheat on her. That's not an Oscar curse. That's just a lady curse.

"There's no such thing as an Oscar curse. The curse is that there are people like 'Bombshell' McGee walking around. I know we shouldn't judge people based on their appearance, but when your body looks like a dirt bag's binder from seventh-grade metal shop, it doesn't bode well for your character."

Also below: Fey's latest riff on Palin. [video]

A classic in Conservative Converstation

I begin...
ChefCoates wrote on 04/11/2010 02:26:14 PM:
We all receive our health care from the same place - doctors, practicioners and medical facilities.

Some of us pay for insurance, others get it as a perk of former employment through collective bargaining and others enjoy what the Federal government provides.

Then there are those with no resourses. They are looked upon with distain by those who have government care.

kd1808...uh...responds...
kd1808 wrote on 04/11/2010 02:41:47 PM:
Those who have "government care", via Medicare/SS, for the most part have paid into that "insurance program" for over 40 YEARS ! A good portion of those with "no resources" have NEVER paid a plug nickle into any program. They are what could be termed, serial takers and abusers of our systems ! And you encourage these people to keep taking, with absolutely no requirement on their part to contribute anything.

What the hell kind of family do you come from that's taught you not to take responsibility for yourself ? Or at least be a bit grateful for what others are GIVING you, rather than just expecting more.

Now, before I go further, it is readily apparent that kd1808 threw the first stone, right?

So, I retort...
ChefCoates wrote on 04/11/2010 02:49:31 PM:
kd1808 - if you take the amount that you paid into Medicare for "40 years" you'd have, maybe $20,000 in the pot. One heart attack will cost you $100K.

Learn how insurance pools work.

Many paid into Medicare for 40 years and didn't cash in because their catastrophic illness kicked in before age 65.

Learn reality.

My family taught me responsibility for my fellow man. Yours taught you to be selfish.

I'm sorry for you.

I further educate...

ChefCoates wrote on 04/11/2010 03:03:48 PM:
"the employer must withhold 1.45% of an employee's wages and must pay a matching amount for Medicare tax."

IF you made $40,000 each year of 40 years (extremely rare) your contribution AND your employer's matching contribution (by socialist law of "sharing the wealth") would total $48,000.

One ICU stay and a heart surgery will easily hit $100,000. Someone is picking up the tab for YOU.

The verbal joust continues and you can find it on the LTE forum, but it's a classic example of how they want to engage and then get pissed off when you engage them. Then the additional personal assaults begin, but if you throw one back, they whine.

http://www.theolympian.com/2010/04/11/1202364/letters-to-the-editor-for-april.html?pageNum=1&&&&&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container

Promises, promises, promises....

Three promises since Docent started posting here to refrain from commenting.... is this third one the charm?

Docent wrote on 04/11/2010 12:32:45 PM:

Until the sociopaths are removed from this site, I will not participate!

He's made this promise before, however:

Docent's comment on: Letters to the Editor for Jan. 21 at 1/21/2010 1:11 PM PST on The Olympian

Good Bye!

Docent's comment on: Letters to the Editor for Jan. 7 at 1/7/2010 5:15 PM PST on The Olympian

I am leaving this website until "Larry" is permanantly removed!

Let's all be vigilant, and when he posts again, we can remind him of his promise! LOLOLOL

Those who never paid into the system

My Grandmother, was born in 1900 and turned 65 in time to enjoy the new Medicare system. She never paid a dime into it.

My mother was born when Grandma was 20 (almost to the day) and soon left an abusive husband. She raised my mother for the next 16 years (mom married young, as they did in those days) and Grandma continued to support herself. Her primary field was laundry work, but she also cooked in logging camps.

She "retired" to caring for older people (supplementing her Social Security and Medicare) until she was well into her 80s. Grandma didn't like sitting around.

She died at age 96, after 31 years of enjoying Medicare without paying a dime into it.


WOW.....what a burden on society!

Excellent logic in this post by PAX

Posted to http://www.theolympian.com/2010/04/10/1201486/31-demonstrators-arrested.html?

PAX wrote on 04/11/2010 01:10:27 PM:

To which "wako professors" are you referring? I assume you have personal knowledge of their teaching methods and/or class content ... or are you simply spreading rumors base on what you have heard from others who are against TESC education who have heard the same rumors without proof?
The protesters should be held responsible for their actions and punished accordingly, just as any other person. The fact that they are students, if such they are, should have no bearing on their punishment, nor should their off-campus activities have any reflection or bearing on the school.
If a person gets a speeding ticket - say 40mph in a 35mph zone - in their personal car on their own time, should that effect the funding of their employer? Or their school? Consider how many high school students get traffic tickets - do you believe all high schools should be shut down?
You are merely repeating the foolish words of other foolish people.

Why is this poetic justice?

On the Blog-not-to-be-mentioned, "today's dinner" or whatever clever terminology it is, features "wild boar sausages"

Or is it wild bore?

Before THESE disappear

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Anonymous98501 wrote on 04/10/2010 02:54:59 PM:

cheeseburger wrote on 04/10/2010 02:00:31 PM: ... I have a few more comments directed to Enough. You say that you are in Irag. That would have one wonder to believe if you have joined ranks with Al-Qaeda and are now collaborating with our enemy? ...

cheesy, I thought you supported the military (re your comments about waving a flag on the bridge over I-5) yet here you are accusing one of "collaborating"! For shame!

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cheeseburger wrote on 04/10/2010 03:01:26 PM:

Anyone can claim to be in the military Anonymous! There are phoney vets, many from the left who wear the uniform and claim to be soldiers! In his case, I claim he is a phoney vet!

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cheeseburger wrote on 04/10/2010 03:03:46 PM:

Phony!

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Anonymous98501 wrote on 04/10/2010 03:09:33 PM:

cheeseburger wrote on 04/10/2010 03:01:26 PM: Anyone can claim to be in the military Anonymous! ...

Just like anybody can claim to be a fervent supporter of the military! Shall I claim that you are also a phony? I could, you know, but unlike you in this instance I usually take people's claims at face value.

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before it disappears...

TellinDTruth wrote on 04/10/2010 11:39:38 AM:
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Says she who cries "wolf" or is it "bully"?
Comment on: 29 arrested after riot in downtown Olympia at 4/9/2010 8:19 AM PDT on The Olympian Larry, did you lose your job already?

Comment on: 29 arrested after riot in downtown Olympia at 4/9/2010 8:17 AM PDT on The Olympian Berd and his black bloc thugs?

Personal attacks and just plain slander.

You'll note Robert "Berd" Whitlock (as per his LTE this week) is not among this list:

Jami Williams, 20; Tom McGuire, 21; Peter McCoy, 24; Matthew Duran, 21; Gabriel Sisson, 21; Danielle Shook, 25; Alex Barton, 20; Claire Price, 23; Calvin Evans, 21; William Sclabassi, 20; Nora McKinnon, 20; Ruth Kodish-Esklund, 20; Martha Henderson, age unavailable; Lee Duffy, 25; Emily Weisberg, 19; Ashley Fleming, 20; Vanessa Lombardi, 23; Sarah Still, 21; Rebecca Tuttle, 23; Kristy Keeley, 21; Patrick Gould, 23; Matthew Pfeifer, 20; Alexander Bryan, 20; Steven Jablonski, 21; William Turner, 20; Eric Sullivan, 25; Kamuran Chabuk, 24; Bonnie Weaver, 21.

Rather hypocritical of someone to slander one person, make a personal forum attack at another and then cry wolf when someone fires back

Then, up steps "Docent" (aka.....oh well...you know)


Docent wrote on 04/10/2010 12:11:13 PM:

the cyberbullies on this comment section continue to belittle libel and ridicule people personally under the guise of pointing out hypocrisy you can point out hypocrisy without bullying people Olympian please remove these people from this site

Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2010/04/10/1201486/31-demonstrators-arrested.html#ixzz0kj7FVQ1g


Now, tell me, Dear Thurstonbloggers, how does one "bully" by pointing out slander and personal attacks? Should one just allow Right Wing Extremists to falsely accuse and ridicule people with personal attacks and not point out to the media and readers that this is wrong?

Does the Right Wing Extremist Group of Olympia want to silence those that speak the TRUTH?

YOU BETCHA!!!

Cheeseburger slanders Robert Whitlock

Comment on: 29 arrested after riot in downtown Olympia at 4/9/2010 8:17 AM PDT on The Olympian
Berd and his black bloc thugs?

Based on the list of those arrested, "Berd" had nothing to do with the problems Downtown.

Isn't it amazing that The Olympian lets Cheeseburger get away with slandering Robert "Berd" Whitlock and then listens to her bitch about my verbal slap fights with her?

Again, this morning, she is attempting to engage. She starts the fight and then runs to The O when confronted.

One problem for her....I don't give a crap about deletions anymore. I've learned the same trick as Sondra knows.

Strangest Whacko drivel yet. -And that includes the Dadaesque musings of Caibou Barbie

In reaction to the latest performance of Olympia's continuing and oh so enchanting street theater, Anarchist Ninja Turtles vs The Man, the following spew sloshed around in the bottomless chum bucket that is the Olympian comments section.

blackknight696945 wrote on 04/09/2010 11:48 PM:

Here again is another fine example of the vaginized [sic] men of the Pacific Northwest letting common scum rule the cities. I have no sympathy for the City of Olympia when it comes to this type of ridiculous actions. The elected officials and the social elites in this boom town encourages this type of behavior by passing it off as youth expressing their frustrations against the social system. Get a clue. Hire some knuckle dragging neanderthals to crack some heads. For God's sake western Washington, stop being a door mat. The men in this area should at least act like they got a pair.

blackknight696945 wrote on 04/09/2010 12:05:45 PM:

Hmm, no, Kay, I really don't. I have issues with men who let women like you walk all over them with various legal and ethical tactics. This latest "expression" only proves this city has no idea on how to deal with losers. From the previous comments concerning this article, the men in this area have soul searching to do. If you don't like "vaginized", you might could try "pussification" or "chickafication". In the end, most of men in this part of the state will be peeing sitting down.

Yeah, I really don't quite get the connection between cops busting kids behaving badly and urination either, but Mr. blackknight8675309 (If that is his REAL name. J'accuse!) must be quite the bitch magnet, don't ya think?

Much like our dear friend and blog lurker JoeTheIndepenentBandmember, (Hi IV!) it appears Mr. Knight has dark fetishes involving men and excretory processes I for one care not to speculate further on, but I will add my 2 cents on topic of male urination. Peeing while sitting down keeps the bathroom free of stray urine and Classy Chicks (and Dudes) really dig that shit.

One more thing. Classy Chicks do not dig having their gender nor vulgar slang for their genitalia used as a slur.

And I won't even mention the hypocrisy of Larry's comments getting pulled because of the daily whine we get with our cheese(burger) and the unchecked misogyny of Mr. Black. Oh wait, I just did.

Are you reading this Ms. McGee? Good. Now how about doing thoughtfully proactive rather than robotically reactionary moderation ? I'm just sayin'...

Same Shit, Different Day

Before Cheeseburger whines again to Tammy to have my comments deleted....


BurgerNoCheese wrote on 04/09/2010 05:49:05 PM:

" Too_Opinionated wrote on 04/09/2010 12:19:36 PM: I've never closed an account so I wouldn't know. I assumed you had to use a new email address for any new moniker, but you're the expert! I've never been arrested, that wasn't nice of you to say, I'm not the threatening type! Is cheeseburger invited to the BBQ? Or Mac?"

Wait a minute....you were the one talking about multiple emails....and of course you've had other names......remember???? So...now did you have other email addresses or did you just close your account and change your moniker?

Cheeseburger will be standing on Freedom Bridge doing a table dance on the day of the BBQ. Mac isn't welcome to shovel manure for my garden, much less enjoy the pleasures of my company, not to mention those frisky ThurstonBloggers. Actually, I need to put the entire idea up for public vote on the blog. That, in itself, would be fun."

cheeseburger wrote on 04/09/2010 12:23:41 PM: They cover their faces to avoid tear gas and their identities, much like the multiple identities Larry uses daily."

I hate to bring this up, but The Olympian Forum, thanks to the Whinery Workers Union #69 knows more about my personal life than yours. So WHO IS HIDING BEHIND A BANDANA, so to speak??????

Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2010/04/09/1200562/29-arrested-after-riot-in-downtown.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=3566234#Comments_Container#ixzz0kefmK9c8


Cheeseburger went running to Tammy today and had a bunch of my comments deleted - responses to her barbs and others. It appears that the new game is throw shit and when someone throws it back, run and tell Mommy. Frankly, from the emails I've exchanged with Tammy of late, I think the moderating of The Olympian is in shit shape and will respond to those who bitch the most. My personal information can be violated and that seems to be OK, but one complaint about me responding to a barb and deletions start.

None of this is really indicative of the end of the world. If I want Cheeseburger or any of the other fools to know what I'm thinking, I just put it out here, as they are all addicted to reading ThurstonBlog

Uh, Sarah? I don't think so!

President Obama questions Sarah Palin's nuclear acumen

President Barack Obama on Thursday made clear he was not going to take advice from Republican Sarah Palin when it comes to decisions about the U.S. nuclear arsenal.

Palin, the former vice presidential candidate, has not been shy about criticizing Obama's policies and this week weighed in on his revamped nuclear strategy, saying it was like a child in a playground who says 'punch me in the face, I'm not going to retaliate.'

"I really have no response to that. The last I checked, Sarah Palin is not much of an expert on nuclear issues," Obama said in an interview with ABC News.

Pressed further on Republican criticism that his strategy restricts the use of nuclear weapons too much, Obama added:

"What I would say to them is, is that if the secretary of defense and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff are comfortable with it, I'm probably going to take my advice from them and not from Sarah Palin."

Obama unveiled a new policy earlier this week that restricts U.S. use of nuclear weapons and renounces development of new atomic weapons.

What Christians Teach Their Children

“It’s unbelievable. Unbelievable,” said Palin on Wednesday evening while appearing on Sean Hannity’s Fox News program. “No administration in America’s history would, I think, ever have considered such a step that we just found out President Obama is supporting today. It’s kinda like getting out there on a playground, a bunch of kids, getting ready to fight, and one of the kids saying, ‘Go ahead, punch me in the face and I’m not going to retaliate. Go ahead and do what you want to with me.’


Now, I must give credit where credit is due. This came from the blog that is not to be mentioned.

Aside from that, Palin, as usual, has foot in mouth disease. How do you RETALITATE against legislation that was passed by a majority of Congress. I do believe the Republicans, who passed a pantload of legislation for themselves from 2001 to 2007 would be screaming "TRAITOR" if someone put up this big of a fuss.

How many American households pay income tax?

Here's some background to help combat the fools on the comments.....

Nearly half of US households escape fed income tax

Recession, new tax credits have nearly half of US households paying no federal income tax

About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.

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Blog on.....

New work schedule and my brain feels like a rubber ball, what with the hours and driving.

Hold down the fort and I'll catch up soon.